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They have been trying for years, there USTA be a campsite you could get to by boat from South arm and pay a Maine public lands super cheap fee about a mile from the river, it's no longer available, last couple times I have had to the north/west side of the lake and hike down, the camps owner/opertator seems like he feels his lease entitled him to the river.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't mean to be a Debbie downer on this ..but you can write all the letters you want I ( I did ) and go to all the meetings you want( I did ) ..history shows (upper Dam ) that Brookfield is going to do exactly  what they want to do regardless our input ...  we were very adamant about traditional  access at upper Dam and got exactly squat!  that's just the facts sorry   

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Cdc is exactly right. The plan in place has been in the works for some time and isn't a surprise to anyone except fisherman. I don't think the fishery will be ruined but it hard to see it being the same for a good long stretch.  My gut says the bass problem will get much worse.  Access wise, expect a more restrictive environment at the dam pool going forward.  Things change.

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It's not Brookfield fault. You can't build a legal dam with the same fishing access in a pool like that. Its just the way it is. 

Realistically theyre going to do what's best for their operation, and our fly fishing needs don't mean squat compared to those. It's a bummer but things change.

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I do expect that they will have to mitigate the bass migration issue, which is as simple as nets. They will have to maintain minimum flows, etc. aside from the nostalgia, I don’t think upper dam’s project was that detremental to the fishery. It would be way worse for the fishery if a dam blew out... the area isn’t prepared for unregulated flows. 

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Replacing Upper and Middle was part of the package deal Brookfield got when they took over from Nextera. They don't make any money from them as they are just holding back water. Like lachance said, they have to maintain minimum flow throughout the project and they have to maintain access....but it remains to be seen what that access will amount to.  Lakewood is gonna feel a pinch for sure just due to the construction alone.

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I spoke to Robert Van riper the Bio about upper dam back when they were doing up the plans with Nextera ..and they(Nextera )  had plans for maintaining the stations and the platforms( slightly different but still in place ) ,and all that stuff ..he showed me the drawings ! ..then Brookfield got it and according to Robert  after review ..in a 1 hour meeting said " nope to expensive and too much of a liability to them plans scrapped !  ..even though fisherman had been fishing those spots for  decades  with no issues at all. I think its fair to say that Brookfield is no friend to the fish or the fisherman PERIOD !  

how many times do they get to "oops"  de water the west branch before they pay a price :angry: 

 

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It's easy to say no one's been hurt at these dams if you're not insuring the property.

As far as upper dam, I do feel as though the fishability(?) of the the pool was negatively affected, but the fish are doing just fine, which is what we should be concerned about.

 

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10 hours ago, lachance8443 said:

It's easy to say no one's been hurt at these dams if you're not insuring the property.

As far as upper dam, I do feel as though the fishability(?) of the the pool was negatively affected, but the fish are doing just fine, which is what we should be concerned about.

 

I have fished upper dam since the mid 80's ..never have I heard of or witnessed anyone get hurt ..drown .. or have any issues with safety and never ready of anything in the past (I'm sure something has happened but ..).. as far as fishing the dam ..those stations provided at minimum of 4 additional spots to fish 6 if you were with a buddy and shared a station .. it also made for a nice experience for older folks who could walk down to any of the stations and with out having to "gear up " with waders and all that and  could throw a fly around for an hour or so and enjoy some quality time.

fact is Brookfield is a Dick head period! and doesn't give two squats about the fish or fishermen ..they play along with us because they are forced too by the license agreement's    

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and if we as in "the state "were truly concerned about the fish we would not be dumping 1000+ 10" rubber trout into the Richardson lakes on top of the quality brook trout that exist to " enhance the fishery"  ..but that's another whole issue

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Well, this is interesting. I go to Middle dam sparsely, but the area is beautiful, the fishing is excellent, and the wholistic experience is remarkable. To restrict access or fishing quality in an area that is so rich historically, seems like a direct hit on intrinsic values of Maine people. We shall see, hopefully the wholistic experience is not tainted. 

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Let’s be honest. The dam pool at MD is nothing like or compared to UD. I personally never enjoyed swinging a fly off the chutes but I understand that others did. These pools will now hold a couple less people    

If anyone is surprised that they have made it about safety, just remember that people do stupid things every day and then figure out how to sue someone over it. It isn’t the defendants fault, it is the abundance of plaintiffs. 

If they manage the flows and the bass I am sure the sun will come up tomorrow. 

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Actually, Maine law is pretty clear that a landowner who allows the public to access his/her lands for recreation is pretty much completely insulated from any liability if a member of the public gets hurt while recreating.  According to a former boss of mine who was a personal injury attorney in a prior life, this extends even to dangers that are created by the landowner.

 

As for Middle Dam rebuild, the LUPC voted yesterday to hold a public hearing to address concerns about public access, bass, habitat impacts, and other issues.  I'd guess the hearing will be sometime in November or December, but that's just a guess.  You can find a copy of Brookfield's plans and LUPC permit application here.  https://www.maine.gov/dacf/lupc/agenda_items/101018/hp30_Application.pdf

There are plans to maintain access around the dam during construction, and I suspect the access conditions will be very similar to what we experience at Upper Dam.  Expect to wait for an escort if you need to cross the dam during periods when active construction is going on in that area--which will be often.

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13 hours ago, cdc said:

and if we as in "the state "were truly concerned about the fish we would not be dumping 1000+ 10" rubber trout into the Richardson lakes on top of the quality brook trout that exist to " enhance the fishery"  ..but that's another whole issue

Snack food for the smallmouth and big brook trout.  Keep chuckin' those smallies on the shore folks!!

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On 10/11/2018 at 8:26 AM, cdc said:

and if we as in "the state "were truly concerned about the fish we would not be dumping 1000+ 10" rubber trout into the Richardson lakes on top of the quality brook trout that exist to " enhance the fishery"  ..but that's another whole issue

I wish the regional biologists would get their heads out of their asses and adopt a better stocking scheme as a whole. Less, bigger, and not at all in some places. Appeasing the worm and bobber fisherman so they can catch a 10” trout pisses me off. 

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